Minä olen poro, lailalalai…

Just quit the cheap booze and that 99% will stay urinating at home. Other measures are probably as successful as convincing flies that sh*t ain’t good.

Or just start selling chep booze here, and they’ll stay urinating at home.

Seriously though it is fun to see elderly people dressed in their finest being blind drunk at 10 am on the ship – *before* it gets to Tallinn…

According to George some Estonians think so but he says it’s more like 50-50 in reality. I think this may have been the case some years ago. My feeling is that most Finns behave well in Tallinn – the minority behaving badly get the headlines exactly because poro is the stereotypical Finn in Tallinn. I just don’t think the stereotype is fair anymore.

Or just start selling chep booze here, and they’ll stay urinating at home.

Aren’t they already doing so?

In Estonia, it is true, as Helsinkian indicates, that it is only a minority that pig out in Tallinn, but it is a very vocal and visible minority that becomes a majority as the evening wears on. Perhaps, at 3 am, the earlier mentioned 99 percentile is reached.

There has been some improvement in their behavior over the last few years, but still the locals here in Estonia cringe when they see them, as well as my “normal” Finnish friends when they visit Tallinn. The vodka Finns all look the same, and sometimes the locals feel that it is the same 50 who come each weekend, and the same 50 who are in a endless loop walking about the Old Town.

Furthermore, the “reputation” of the poro has also slightly improved in Estonia because of a new wave of even more obnoxious “alcohol” tourists have arrived. (Excuse, all my quotation marks, I starting to feel like I am a quotation happy BBC correspondent.)

The stag party Brits (the recent new wave) were originally called the “new Finns”, but they have lost that designation since the Brit easyjetters are in their own pig class. It is truly insulating to the Finns and misleading to compare the easyjetters to them.

My friends – both expats and locals – who own bars and restaurants in the Old Town see a big difference between the Finns and Brits. The Finns, if drunk, will meekly leave when asked by management, particularly if asked by a Russian bouncer (or someone who pretends to be a Russian bouncer). Finns seem a bit fearful of Russian types in Estonia, and an Estonian bouncer will use the extra leverage to scare out unwanted Finns by pretending to be Russian.

However, the Brits – especially in large Stag party groups – will tear the place apart even when not provoked. They have been known to attack without provocation innocent types in bars or on the street just because they wanted to have a “bash up” with someone. Many of them feel that it is obligatory part of a proper stag weekend.

For the “real” Finns visiting Tallinn, I suggest that they give the “new Finns” a wide berth. And furthermore, use commonsense: don’t shout Finnish at the top of your lungs and call attention to yourself when trying to find your way back to Hotel Virus at 3 am in a drunken state. You still have the “old Russians” who are waiting eagerly in the shadows to mess with you.

And when the “estonian media” reports something, one must remember that it is about the same as “the Sun” reports something. Iltalehti in Finland tries to be the scandal mag, but can’t cut the Õhtuleht’s “outrages”.

Similar if you watch the “Reporter” news magazine on 2. Their reportages are a combination of MadTv and news…

And one should remember, that the Estonians don’t spit in the glass either. Maybe not so visible in Tallinn (except maybe in Lasnamäe), but in smaller villages theres always some kiosk with a benchful of blokes teetering about. Now you can see seriously drunk Finns too, but I haven’t seen people laying on the street where they passed out in such multitudes as in Estonia.

“And one should remember, that the Estonians don’t spit in the glass either. Maybe not so visible in Tallinn (except maybe in Lasnamäe”

I do not quite understand why the previous writer seeks out the nightlife in Lasnamae. He seems to have a rather peculiar idea of a good time. It is like spending your Saturday night in Kannelmäki when visiting Helsinki.

With respect to the “multitudes” of drunks in Estonia, I have lived in several countries among them both Finland and Estonia. Alcoholism is unfortunately too high in both places but I would say that public signs of intoxication among the respective locals is much higher in Helsinki than in Tallinn especially on weekends.

No, I’m meaning daytime life when I’m navigating off the ship trying to find Narva mnt. as a shortcut towards the Airport. You get off the centre and you see a lot of interesting things. I don’t spend “nightlife” in Tallinn almost at all, except if I come without car and stay the night, and even then its usually one in the pub and catching the zeds.

I end up spendig my “nightlife” usually in some small village not that far from say Tõrva. Much less drunks in smaller cities like Viljandi than in Tallinn, even towns, but the villages are on weekends quite “interesting” especially if theres some occasion.

And I haven’t seen in Finnish tv gonzo-journalists go interrogate a man sleeping in a ditch as a “village man” asking of his opinion as they did last summer regarding the Kihnu ferry ‘scandal’ in Suvereporter.

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