Police are looking for a group of dark-skinned foreigners
Uh-oh, armed robberies have shot up in Helsinki. Police are looking for “a group of dark-skinned foreigners” who have been involved in these crimes – Police advise that you don’t walk in the city alone at night, what a shame…
About a dozen boys or young men have been robbed in downtown Helsinki in the course of the past two weeks. The majority of the incidents have occurred in the Kaivopuisto and Kaisaniemi parks in the evening or later at night, while some of the robberies have taken place in the street. Police are looking for a group of dark-skinned foreigners aged 15 to 22 who are suspected of having been involved in these crimes.
All robberies follow a similar pattern: First several youngsters approach a victim asking for cigarettes, for example. Then a larger group surrounds him starting to threaten or assault him.
One characteristic of the robberies in the streets has been violence or the threat of violence. “The muggings have been cold-blooded. Many of the victims have been assaulted without warning”, reported Inspector Sampo Suomala of the Helsinki Police Department on Thursday.
Hey so, if a group of “dark-skinned foreigners aged 15 to 22″ are heading towards you at night – are you a racist if you get concerned or walk in the other direction? I wonder what Johanna Maula of Caisa would think.
Everyone knows that somalis and other blacks commit most robberies in Helsinki. Usually you just can not speak of it, at least in media. Btw general population is not fooled by politivally correct talk.
I think most of finnish people take as granted that certain groups, gypsies and blacks, commit more crime than others.
Comment by Syltty — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 2:36 pm
Well, the Iltasanomat yesterday spilled the beans on the “Somali task force”, but you know we’re such a bunch of sorry racists here.
Comment by Hank W. — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 3:12 pm
Makes you wonder why people in their own country were trying to kill them off…
These guys are robbing on borrowed time. They better hope the police get to them before any group of drunk Finns catches them. Heven forbid there is a racial incident….
Comment by Fred Fry — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 3:53 pm
But say if theres many of them and one of me, I’m in the minority so thats a racist crime then.
Comment by Hank W. — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
Comment by Phil — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 5:50 pm
Black crime wave sweeps over Finland
Looks like even Nordic social democracy cannot root criminality from blacks. WTF is wrong with them?
Comment by Syltty — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 5:56 pm
Stop bashing her. She may be annoying person but I am not so sure she has deserved all the attention.
I think Finns are xenophobic by nature (and so is everybody else). Does that make us racist – I do not know and sometimes frankly I do not care. I hate skinheads and neonazis, just because they so damn stupid that they do not see how deep their head is in their own arse. They say they are racist, I say they are just lost. Johanna may be just be hungry for acceptance and publicity and according some of the comments she might be a bit unstable person, but come on let her be. I guess she does no real harm to anyone. And about those violent black teens … I blame the society. everyone is of course accountable for one’s own actions, but really it is the society that has gone wrong. We do not take care of each others and we do not take care of refugees and we “tell” them that this egoistic sociopathic beating up people to steal their money is actually ok = who gives a fuck nowadays if some junkie ODs in the park, would you take his/hers pulse? Those kids should have somehow be integrated to the society. I am pretty sure they do not consider them selves to belong to this country or relate with the people — hence no moral to stop the violence. I guess they should pay for the deeds … I would hope they could make it up by attending school, getting an education or something. Jail’s never done any good to anyone — well except to Matti N.
Comment by me — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 5:58 pm
“I blame the society. everyone is of course accountable for one’s own actions, but really it is the society that has gone wrong.”
– How about blaming the parents?
– You do not need someone to tell you that theft is bad.
“we “tell†them that this egoistic sociopathic beating up people to steal their money is actually ok ”
– And how are they told?
– I think they might learn this is the judicial system fails to punish them….
“Those kids should have somehow be integrated to the society”
– Yes for those that want to come to Finland or anywhere. They need to live by their host-country rules.
– This ignores a more basic problem. I think that taking refugees out of their country is a mistake. The issue should be resolved with them as close to home as possible. One sticky problem in doing that, it will often involve force to stop the other side to stop the killing..
“Jail’s never done any good to anyone”
– Don’t discount the benefits of jail in term of denying those behind bars the opportunity to continue their criminal activities.
– It is most difficult to rob a person in the park when your sitting behind a jail cell.
Comment by Fred Fry — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
I just hate criminal underclass, white, black or yellow.
“I blame the society. everyone is of course accountable for one’s own actions, but really it is the society that has gone wrong. We do not take care of each others and we do not take care of refugees and we “tell†them that this egoistic sociopathic beating up people to steal their money is actually ok =”
I would like police and judges to tell them that stealing money is not ok and you get 10 years jail for mugging. That would be something to tell. Throwing flowers and thinking positive won’t help against this kind of low life.
We have free education and healthcare (it has problems but at least we have it). We have social security so everyone can afford housing, clothes, food and hobbies. Anyone who cannot live without committing regurarly crimes in this kind of society, which pays for everything, should be shot on sight. Ok, maybe not shot but locked away.
Comment by Syltty — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 8:15 pm
“I am pretty sure they do not consider them selves to belong to this country or relate with the people ? hence no moral to stop the violence.”
Now what reason is that? Just because you don’t relate to people/society doesn’t mean you’re free odf all moral boundaries.
Comment by M — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 9:22 pm
Those Somali boys (I think I have seen the gang) were born in Finland. Brave first generation of native Finns. The very same gang has already gathered some sentences on gang raping 10-14 year old girls (that was in news some time ago).
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Sep 9th, 2005 @ 11:31 pm
This problem is here too in KAUNIAINEN, Somali boys and Albanian are forming GANGS. Those kids should have some one to help them to be integrated to the society,but looks like that just giving monney to the familys, resolves the situation of this people.
Comment by Anonymous — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 1:27 am
That gang should be locked up in Caisa with Johanna Maula.
She’ll probably write a heartbreaking flowerhatted article of their plight to redistribute wealth.
Comment by Protopopov — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 2:47 am
Thought so, you seem to be pretty conservative people here. I think I can hear the echo of the marching boots. You know that your like-minded friends in states carry guns? Do you understand what do you see when you take a look in a mirror and where your politics would lead this country in?
Comment by me — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 9:59 am
“Everyone knows that somalis and other blacks commit most robberies in Helsinki.”
What is it about statements prefaced with “everyone knows…”? They seem invariably followed by some completely unsubstantiated random claim.
I don’t know that. And I’ve lived in central Helsinki for 7 years, going out at night a lot. I don’t know anyone who has been robbed on the street, let a lone any one robbed by anyone non-white.
Perhaps its not the case that “everyone knows”, but I’m pretty damn certain that you are talking shite.
Comment by Anonymous — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 10:36 am
Well, ummm.. harder laws? Crack on youth delinquency. What could be the possible outcome? Peace and prosperity?
Why should we look at some gun-toting hilbillies. Look at Singapore. You get caned for painting graffiti.
Comment by Hank W. — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 10:41 am
“Everyone knows that somalis and other blacks commit most robberies in Helsinki.”
I don’t know that, and after living in Helsinki for 7 years am pretty certain its complete shit.
“I think most of finnish people take as granted that certain groups, gypsies and blacks, commit more crime than others.”
I think most Swedish people take it for granted that Finns are a bunch of drunk, lazy, xenophobic, yokels. Hopefully we’re both wrong.
Comment by Anonymous — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 11:07 am
” Do you understand what do you see when you take a look in a mirror and where your politics would lead this country in?”
Less robberies at Helsinki? Less criminal activity? Less unemployent angry blacks/foreigners/white thrash ready to commit crimes in Finland? AWFUL!
Comment by Syltty — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 1:26 pm
I completely agree with Syltty. Let’s have the police and judges tell that making idiotic generalizations like “Looks like even Nordic social democracy cannot root criminality from blacks” is not ok because it implies that criminality is embedded in blacks. Let’s put those who make such comments in jail for 10 years.
And, by the way, since “somalis and other blacks commit most robberies in Helsinki” the young drunk punk who told me to go back to my country must be a somali (he tried to trick me by looking white!). While we are at it, lets tell the Ministry of the Interior that somalis and blacks were probably responsible for some of the violent crimes they have been surveying.
Amused!
Comment by Amused — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 1:53 pm
“I don’t know anyone who has been robbed on the street, let a lone any one robbed by anyone non-white.”
I was, actually. I’m more pissed off at the police dumping me out in Pasila 3 am with no means to get home.
Comment by Hank W. — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 1:53 pm
The “railway station” was a wild place in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s. They cracked down on it back then, even the recession came the situation got quite better. And there wasn’t much if any foreigners back then, so the ganging was totally domestic. Its just they forget about the next generation and let things go too far.
Comment by Hank W. — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 2:00 pm
I completely agree with Syltty. Lets get the police and judges to tell that making gross generalizations like “Looks like even Nordic social democracy cannot root criminality from blacks” is not ok because it implies that criminality is ingrained in blacks, and you get 10 years jail for making those irresponsible generalizations.
Comment by Amused — Sat, Sep 10th, 2005 @ 2:01 pm
One word syltty… segregation
now go on check it from your copy of sivistyssanakirja, I know you own one.
Comment by me — Sun, Sep 11th, 2005 @ 1:22 am
“I think most Swedish people take it for granted that Finns are a bunch of drunk, lazy, xenophobic, yokels. Hopefully we’re both wrong.”
Comparing to swedish, finnish are violent, lazy, ugly, stupid and can’t drive a car. But we are working on that, altough some parts of our society think that we need to fondle violent lazy drunks so much that they are not violent lazy drunks any more.
“One word syltty? segregation
now go on check it from your copy of sivistyssanakirja, I know you own one.”
Do you mean that we should group all somalis etc to their own reservations and build wall around them
Comment by Syltty — Sun, Sep 11th, 2005 @ 9:35 am
test
Comment by Syltty — Sun, Sep 11th, 2005 @ 9:36 am
When I first got to Finland I was scared by the KKK supermarkets. Then they were explained to me, good joke, haha. EXCEPT….
My favorite is the women at the swimming halls yelling at me to go shower again, again, again. Ah yes, she has dark hair. Must be Russian. Must be dirty.
The audacity of white people drives me crazy. This might be Finn’s land but this is OUR world. Crimes have nothing to do with race. Maybe if the attitude towards them in Finland was reversed young blacks would want to fit in more. However if fitting in means hating yourself and your history I’m not so sure what would stop me from turning bitter and angry.
Comment by crazy — Wed, Sep 14th, 2005 @ 1:47 am
When I first got to Finland I was scared by the KKK supermarkets. Then they were explained to me, good joke, haha. EXCEPT….
My favorite is the women at the swimming halls yelling at me to go shower again, again, again. Ah yes, she has dark hair. Must be Russian. Must be dirty.
The audacity of white people drives me crazy. This might be Finn’s land but this is OUR world. Crimes have nothing to do with race. Maybe if the attitude towards them in Finland was reversed young blacks would want to fit in more. However if fitting in means hating yourself and your history I’m not so sure what would stop me from turning bitter and angry.
Comment by crazy — Wed, Sep 14th, 2005 @ 1:47 am
When I first got to Finland I was scared by the KKK supermarkets.”
Haha, I never thought it that way..
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As a side note, I wonder how many of those street robbers live on welfare? It’s obvious that joblessness among immigrants hinders their integration on society.
Comment by pohatta — Wed, Sep 14th, 2005 @ 9:35 pm
The politically correct people make me laugh. Please tell me one society where black people have gone there and make it better or even made it semi-functional?!?!
Everything is based on statistics. Your average Finnish IQ is 102 and your average African IQ is 70, which is considered borderline retarded. So basically less than 2% of Africans are smarter than Fins (over two standard deviations in separation). The reason Finland can have socialism is that the community does not have much genetic variation; therefore, your intelligence distribution is condensed and people can compete with each other. Black people can’t compete with Fins (or any whites) in an intellectual sense; therefore, they will only pull your society down. If you population was 20% black and they were all sucking off of your welfare because they couldn’t compete with the white Fins then, believe me, you would sing a different tune about socialism!!
This is one reason why America is becoming a shithole. The average Mexican has a 90 IQ and their population growth combined with the blacks population growth is pulling down America’s average IQ (down to 98 now). It is so funny how Americans complain that the school system sucks (which it does) and that is why our children score 20-something in the world in math and science. The reason we score 20-something in math and science is because our average IQ is 20-something in the world. I find it hilarious that the Fins start school when they are 7 and have some of the smallest dollars spent per child vs. the top-dollar spending Americans, but yet they destroy the average American child in testing. Geee, this wouldn’t have anything to do with genetics at all…but no, that would be politically incorrect!! If you take note, you will notice that the test score increase as you go further north in Europe and Africa. This is because homo sapiens evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago and spread out around 60,000 – 110,000 years ago. Northern humans are farthest from the genetic roots of Africa; and, therefore, have the least amount of African traits. Also, you have 20,000 years of the ice age killing off the weakest northerners, which allowed the average intellegence to increase. Oh, and don’t forget Japanese and northern analytical skills are more developed because of all of those years utilizing the analytical sides of their brains to hunt down food in the cold.
As for the violence of blacks, that is mostly a function of genetics, too. It is called behavioral genetics. To simplify it, it is basically the same as you saying a collie is a much nicer dog than a pit-bull – it is all about the genitics. For instance, the average black male has 20% more testosterone than the average white male combined with the lesser intellegence, so why do you think they are more violent than the average Finn?
Well, I’m getting tired of typing. It would take a novel to explain, but basically this is the truth and everyone is living in la-la land demanding that everyone is exactly the same. Imagine trying to argue with someone that a pit-bull is just as smart and nice as a collie – they would laugh at you! But as soon as you try to compare humans – oh no, that is evil!!
Comment by Jason — Fri, Sep 16th, 2005 @ 7:46 am
Your average Finnish IQ is 102 and your average African IQ is 70, which is considered borderline retarded
No, your reasoning is borderline retarded. It’s been studied and proven that races with similar socio-economic background have similar IQs. Yes, a poor uneducated African will have a lower IQ, but it’s not cause he’s African, it’s because he’s poor and uneducated.
Comment by Phil — Fri, Sep 16th, 2005 @ 11:06 am