Comments on: One in five Finnish teachers bullied by parents http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:51:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: dbvanhorn http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-367410 dbvanhorn Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:21:35 +0000 /?p=881#comment-367410 As a parent in the US, I have been appalled by the ease of these cowards to take the lives of students and teachers. The killings at VA Tech were a watershed event. How do so many young adults die at the hand of a very unskilled shooter. It's the 'training' our students receive which says 'dive under a desk'. Unarmed does not mean incapable. Students and Teachers can overcome these attacks and defeat the attackers themselves. They must, because Police cannot arrive fast enough. Stay Alive in a Shooting: Common Sense that isn't Common Knowledge ISBN 978-0-9776772-7-6 Contains 121 pages of insight and information Parents and Students can use to keep themselves alive in these active shooter situations. The book is available in paperback and download from www.workplaceviolencehandbook.com/stalinscsh.html. As a parent in the US, I have been appalled by the ease of these cowards to take the lives of students and teachers. The killings at VA Tech were a watershed event. How do so many young adults die at the hand of a very unskilled shooter. It’s the ‘training’ our students receive which says ‘dive under a desk’.

Unarmed does not mean incapable. Students and Teachers can overcome these attacks and defeat the attackers themselves. They must, because Police cannot arrive fast enough.

Stay Alive in a Shooting: Common Sense that isn’t Common Knowledge
ISBN 978-0-9776772-7-6 Contains 121 pages of insight and information Parents and Students can use to keep themselves alive in these active shooter situations.

The book is available in paperback and download from

http://www.workplaceviolencehandbook.com/stalinscsh.html.

]]> By: Par http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-356430 Par Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:25:41 +0000 /?p=881#comment-356430 Hello. I'm a student teacher and currently attend Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. I'm researching the incidences of bullying by parents and was initially surprised by this task, because quite honestly, it hadn't occured to me that it was going on at the rate that it appears to. Does anyone have insight into the socio-economic status and correlation with increased or decreased incidences of bullying by parents towards teachers? Is there a social undercurrent linked to today's information age, progressive education, and economic pressures that family's experience? -Ms.A Hello. I’m a student teacher and currently attend Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. I’m researching the incidences of bullying by parents and was initially surprised by this task, because quite honestly, it hadn’t occured to me that it was going on at the rate that it appears to. Does anyone have insight into the socio-economic status and correlation with increased or decreased incidences of bullying by parents towards teachers? Is there a social undercurrent linked to today’s information age, progressive education, and economic pressures that family’s experience?
-Ms.A

]]> By: Farhad http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-332224 Farhad Mon, 28 May 2007 14:16:37 +0000 /?p=881#comment-332224 Hi. Would you provide me with the e-mails of some Finnish Teachers or Linguists if they don't mind?I intend to collect some data. Hi. Would you provide me with the e-mails of some Finnish Teachers or Linguists if they don’t mind?I intend to collect some data.

]]> By: peter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-13017 peter Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:13:48 +0000 /?p=881#comment-13017 ...i'm student at a german school and in here they still don't know the difference between disciplin-so sitting down and cooperate-and and fear of numbers...in here most of the students just say what the teacher want's to hear,so that they dont get bad marks,and a lot of teachers like this strange kind of authorety and use it-and who does not follow will be punished with bad marks...i dont know exactly wether a teacher does not recognise that studens lie and copy, and wether students don't realise the dictatorship.but what i know is that in here there is no chance to discuss ore criticise anything-after the lessons your 'frinds' come to you to say oh your'e so right and someone has to tell the truth-but they dont...none of the ones shouting that loud would say anything directly in the teachers face-no discussion, no bulliing(at least wich i knew of-and i don't want it)-the only thing wich kounts is a good a level and being better than the others-may be there is someone who was interested in this... p.s.:i'm sorry for everyone who's bullied-be brave, thank you …i’m student at a german school and in here they still don’t know the difference between disciplin-so sitting down and cooperate-and and fear of numbers…in here most of the students just say what the teacher want’s to hear,so that they dont get bad marks,and a lot of teachers like this strange kind of authorety and use it-and who does not follow will be punished with bad marks…i dont know exactly wether a teacher does not recognise that studens lie and copy, and wether students don’t realise the dictatorship.but what i know is that in here there is no chance to discuss ore criticise anything-after the lessons your ‘frinds’ come to you to say oh your’e so right and someone has to tell the truth-but they dont…none of the ones shouting that loud would say anything directly in the teachers face-no discussion, no bulliing(at least wich i knew of-and i don’t want it)-the only thing wich kounts is a good a level and being better than the others-may be there is someone who was interested in this… p.s.:i’m sorry for everyone who’s bullied-be brave, thank you

]]> By: T.K. http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-8222 T.K. Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:45:25 +0000 /?p=881#comment-8222 I'm looking for info on teachers being bullied by their students. I don't know if I'm crazy, but I feel like I'm being attacked by wolves every time I walk in to my Grade 10 English class. They are a particularly aggressive bunch and have no problems finding blame or openly critisizing the class and what I expect of them. Is this now the norm or am I just old fashioned in thinking students need to sit down, listen and cooperate with their teachers in order to learn?! I’m looking for info on teachers being bullied by their students. I don’t know if I’m crazy, but I feel like I’m being attacked by wolves every time I walk in to my Grade 10 English class. They are a particularly aggressive bunch and have no problems finding blame or openly critisizing the class and what I expect of them. Is this now the norm or am I just old fashioned in thinking students need to sit down, listen and cooperate with their teachers in order to learn?!

]]> By: Tom http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7415 Tom Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:17:00 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7415 Hmmm... this blog software is weird. I tried to write: "Phil, I couldn’t find the approppriate sarcasm tags", but I put that word sarcasm in those bracets that are used around tags <> but the whole word disappeared. I guess sarcasm just is, it won't show. Hmmm… this blog software is weird. I tried to write:
“Phil, I couldn’t find the approppriate sarcasm tags”, but I put that word sarcasm in those bracets that are used around tags <> but the whole word disappeared. I guess sarcasm just is, it won’t show.

]]> By: ipe http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7409 ipe Fri, 02 Sep 2005 05:54:58 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7409 "So a few years ago when technology was #1, Finnish teachers didn’t have trouble with bullying parents?" Few years ago teachers had more power and means to keep the peace in classroom and could consentrate more to the actual teaching than keeping those brats in order. When I was in school (more than just a few years ago) raising the kids was primarily job of the parents, not teachers. Today there is parents who doesn't seem to have time to spend with their kids due to their work & hobbies so they doesn't even know what kind of troubles their kids are having. Some things -for example right and wrong- should be teached already before the school. “So a few years ago when technology was #1, Finnish teachers didn’t have trouble with bullying parents?”

Few years ago teachers had more power and means to keep the peace in classroom and could consentrate more to the actual teaching than keeping those brats in order.
When I was in school (more than just a few years ago) raising the kids was primarily job of the parents, not teachers. Today there is parents who doesn’t seem to have time to spend with their kids due to their work & hobbies so they doesn’t even know what kind of troubles their kids are having. Some things -for example right and wrong- should be teached already before the school.

]]> By: Tom http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7408 Tom Fri, 02 Sep 2005 04:57:43 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7408 Phil, I couldn't find the approppriate <sarcasm> tags. Obviously there have always been bullying parents and other kinds of unnecessary inefficiencies in shool resource usage. Without them, however, the schools and teachers could do a lot better job.</sarcasm> Phil, I couldn’t find the approppriate tags. Obviously there have always been bullying parents and other kinds of unnecessary inefficiencies in shool resource usage. Without them, however, the schools and teachers could do a lot better job.

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7391 Phil Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:24:53 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7391 <i>Altogether the time and energy stolen by these nuisances probably accounts for the reported drop of Finland’s technological standards, which you discussed elsewhere on your blog.</i> So a few years ago when technology was #1, Finnish teachers didn't have trouble with bullying parents? Altogether the time and energy stolen by these nuisances probably accounts for the reported drop of Finland’s technological standards, which you discussed elsewhere on your blog.

So a few years ago when technology was #1, Finnish teachers didn’t have trouble with bullying parents?

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7390 Phil Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:22:30 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7390 <i>What are the other reasons?</i> Too many to count. Let's see, more teachers making decisions rather than politicians. No forced religion upon kids. Many more families will have more opportunity to pick the school of their choice, similar to how the wealthy can today. Schools could actually deal more with the bulllying, if the parents are being bullies, "bye bye", you and your kid are gone from the school. What are the other reasons?

Too many to count. Let’s see, more teachers making decisions rather than politicians. No forced religion upon kids. Many more families will have more opportunity to pick the school of their choice, similar to how the wealthy can today. Schools could actually deal more with the bulllying, if the parents are being bullies, “bye bye”, you and your kid are gone from the school.

]]> By: Tom http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7389 Tom Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:52:27 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7389 "If the teacher is doing something wrong, the board of education and others should know about it. Now if the teacher isn’t doing anything wrong, yet the parents still threaten this, if I were a teacher I’d say, “You’re right, the administration should know about this, let’s call them together right now and you can explain the situation.” Call the parents’ bluff." No matter who's right or wrong, the idiot parents can easily waste endless amounts of everybodys time. And there will be some such parents every year. Their half-wit brats will spend at least 9 years at school each and the parents will steal a week or two of each teachers time every year. Altogether the time and energy stolen by these nuisances probably accounts for the reported drop of Finland’s technological standards, which you discussed elsewhere on your blog. “If the teacher is doing something wrong, the board of education and others should know about it. Now if the teacher isn’t doing anything wrong, yet the parents still threaten this, if I were a teacher I’d say, “You’re right, the administration should know about this, let’s call them together right now and you can explain the situation.” Call the parents’ bluff.”

No matter who’s right or wrong, the idiot parents can easily waste endless amounts of everybodys time. And there will be some such parents every year. Their half-wit brats will spend at least 9 years at school each and the parents will steal a week or two of each teachers time every year. Altogether the time and energy stolen by these nuisances probably accounts for the reported drop of Finland’s technological standards, which you discussed elsewhere on your blog.

]]> By: M http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7385 M Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:32:28 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7385 "<i>Another good reason to get the government OUT of the school system!</i>" What are the other reasons? “Another good reason to get the government OUT of the school system!”

What are the other reasons?

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7368 Phil Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:24:19 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7368 <i>If the parents know the right people, though, then the teacher may be in trouble. And I’m not talking about Hell’s Angels or Bandidos, I’m talking about city officials etc.</i> Another good reason to get the government OUT of the school system! If the parents know the right people, though, then the teacher may be in trouble. And I’m not talking about Hell’s Angels or Bandidos, I’m talking about city officials etc.

Another good reason to get the government OUT of the school system!

]]> By: sepisp http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7365 sepisp Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:46:59 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7365 There is the chain of command, in that complaints should be directed tot the nearest concerned party - the teacher - and if not possible, his superior. Like, teacher, principal, and then the city officials. Going past this on one's own permit is just "bullying" or disturbance. There is the chain of command, in that complaints should be directed tot the nearest concerned party - the teacher - and if not possible, his superior. Like, teacher, principal, and then the city officials. Going past this on one’s own permit is just “bullying” or disturbance.

]]> By: Tiedemies http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/31/one-in-five-finnish-teachers-bullied-by-parents/#comment-7357 Tiedemies Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:37:17 +0000 /?p=881#comment-7357 There is one problem to the suggestion Phil is making here. See, in the Finnish system, the fact that someone files a complaint already makes you a suspect. And, contrary to popular beliefs, Finns don't think a suspect is innoxent until proven guilty, quite the opposite. Finns tend to think that once an authority is dragged into the case, <i>someone</i> must be punished. And since the administrative board has no authority over parents, it is the teacher who gets the raw deal. Now, teachers do have it quite well in the sence that many of them hold a tenure, so they really can't be fired unless they do something really stupid like leave bruises or cuts when they beat up a kid. So, the kids' parents don't really have much leverage but their hollow threats. If the parents know the right people, though, then the teacher may be in trouble. And I'm not talking about Hell's Angels or Bandidos, I'm talking about city officials etc. There is one problem to the suggestion Phil is making here. See, in the Finnish system, the fact that someone files a complaint already makes you a suspect. And, contrary to popular beliefs, Finns don’t think a suspect is innoxent until proven guilty, quite the opposite.

Finns tend to think that once an authority is dragged into the case, someone must be punished. And since the administrative board has no authority over parents, it is the teacher who gets the raw deal.

Now, teachers do have it quite well in the sence that many of them hold a tenure, so they really can’t be fired unless they do something really stupid like leave bruises or cuts when they beat up a kid. So, the kids’ parents don’t really have much leverage but their hollow threats.

If the parents know the right people, though, then the teacher may be in trouble. And I’m not talking about Hell’s Angels or Bandidos, I’m talking about city officials etc.

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