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		<title>By: Anzi</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/08/24/finns-and-americans-at-the-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-7168</link>
		<dc:creator>Anzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You have to go to movie excactly in the time when it starts and it costs 10x more than renting video (who goes alone movies?). &lt;/i&gt;

I do. Most often I go with my boyfriend, but I like going to the movies alone. I like the atmosphere and the fact that I actually leave the house to do something entertaining.
I think that people who prefer to rent DVDs and videos and watch them at home on their big-screen TV while romping between the fridge and the bathroom in their dirty underwear are asocial nitwits. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You have to go to movie excactly in the time when it starts and it costs 10x more than renting video (who goes alone movies?). </i></p>
<p>I do. Most often I go with my boyfriend, but I like going to the movies alone. I like the atmosphere and the fact that I actually leave the house to do something entertaining.<br />
I think that people who prefer to rent DVDs and videos and watch them at home on their big-screen TV while romping between the fridge and the bathroom in their dirty underwear are asocial nitwits. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;1. Many non-American movies are released here first. In states later or never&lt;/i&gt;

Like Finnish movies.  And &quot;Ali G in da House&quot; ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>1. Many non-American movies are released here first. In states later or never</i></p>
<p>Like Finnish movies.  And &#8220;Ali G in da House&#8221; <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the reason for the slump in attendence is figure must be to do with me becoming a dad.  Me and the missus used to go to the cinema on average 3 weeks out 4. Since baby was born 16 months ago we&#039;ve been twice. :-(  Other things happen less often after babies are born as well, but there&#039;s no need to go into that here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason for the slump in attendence is figure must be to do with me becoming a dad.  Me and the missus used to go to the cinema on average 3 weeks out 4. Since baby was born 16 months ago we&#8217;ve been twice. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />   Other things happen less often after babies are born as well, but there&#8217;s no need to go into that here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: think about it</title>
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		<dc:creator>think about it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Many non-American movies are released here first. In states later or never

2. Finland doesn&#039;t release movies. American corporatations release the foreign prints of their own movies.

3. Stop being so American centric. It hurts my brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Many non-American movies are released here first. In states later or never</p>
<p>2. Finland doesn&#8217;t release movies. American corporatations release the foreign prints of their own movies.</p>
<p>3. Stop being so American centric. It hurts my brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For years computer lovers were divided, everyone cried out for a system and OS that everyone would use. &lt;/i&gt;
I have certainly not wished for such a foolish thing.

&lt;i&gt;If it wasn???t for government muscle, a third-party could write a competing OS that could run Windows applications.&lt;/i&gt;
How does &quot;government muscle&quot; come into this? Do you mean copyright laws perhaps?

&lt;i&gt;Of course, it???s not really a monopoly, is it? Mac OS and Linux are quite popular.&lt;/i&gt;
Oh yeah, Linux is so popular that a whopping 0.1 per cent of computer users are running it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For years computer lovers were divided, everyone cried out for a system and OS that everyone would use. </i><br />
I have certainly not wished for such a foolish thing.</p>
<p><i>If it wasn???t for government muscle, a third-party could write a competing OS that could run Windows applications.</i><br />
How does &#8220;government muscle&#8221; come into this? Do you mean copyright laws perhaps?</p>
<p><i>Of course, it???s not really a monopoly, is it? Mac OS and Linux are quite popular.</i><br />
Oh yeah, Linux is so popular that a whopping 0.1 per cent of computer users are running it.</p>
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		<title>By: Syltty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syltty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wathing movies at own home is much cheaper, easier and nicer than in movies. Movie theater chairs are unconfortable, you cannot go to wc during movie, can&#039;t pause video if somebody phones and there is no fridge. You have to go to movie excactly in the time when it starts and it costs 10x more than renting video (who goes alone movies?). 

The only thing that is better is screen and audio (which is usually way too loud so it might be actually worse!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wathing movies at own home is much cheaper, easier and nicer than in movies. Movie theater chairs are unconfortable, you cannot go to wc during movie, can&#8217;t pause video if somebody phones and there is no fridge. You have to go to movie excactly in the time when it starts and it costs 10x more than renting video (who goes alone movies?). </p>
<p>The only thing that is better is screen and audio (which is usually way too loud so it might be actually worse!).</p>
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		<title>By: Justen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, movie theaters keep the movies coming out in summer. NYT used to have lists of the &quot;most watched movies in theaters this week&quot; list, and it showed very dramatic drop for the summer months. Of course, the reason could be that no new movies come out. Hitchiker came out in the rest of the world around middle-April, and here they said it would come out in 14.7... and then they moved the day forward for one month. After printing and promoting the first day.

So, theaters believe that people dont go to see movies during summer, and therefore dont bring them out... and they start pushing the movies forward pretty early in the year. And people wont go see movies during summer because there isint anything to see.

And then they whine how the revenue goes down and down..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, movie theaters keep the movies coming out in summer. NYT used to have lists of the &#8220;most watched movies in theaters this week&#8221; list, and it showed very dramatic drop for the summer months. Of course, the reason could be that no new movies come out. Hitchiker came out in the rest of the world around middle-April, and here they said it would come out in 14.7&#8230; and then they moved the day forward for one month. After printing and promoting the first day.</p>
<p>So, theaters believe that people dont go to see movies during summer, and therefore dont bring them out&#8230; and they start pushing the movies forward pretty early in the year. And people wont go see movies during summer because there isint anything to see.</p>
<p>And then they whine how the revenue goes down and down..</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don???t recall your being back in the States this summer.&lt;/i&gt;

Who is this, my mom writing?  I obviously must have seen this back home in the states!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don???t recall your being back in the States this summer.</i></p>
<p>Who is this, my mom writing?  I obviously must have seen this back home in the states!  <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Have you ever taken a look at the personal computer operating system market?&lt;/i&gt;

For years computer lovers were divided, everyone cried out for a system and OS that everyone would use.  Microsoft did just that, and now suddenly they&#039;re the biggest assholes in the universe.  

If it wasn&#039;t for government muscle, a third-party could write a competing OS that could run Windows applications.  But the U.S. government allows Microsoft to maintain their monopoly.  Of course, it&#039;s not really a monopoly, is it?  Mac OS and Linux are quite popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Have you ever taken a look at the personal computer operating system market?</i></p>
<p>For years computer lovers were divided, everyone cried out for a system and OS that everyone would use.  Microsoft did just that, and now suddenly they&#8217;re the biggest assholes in the universe.  </p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for government muscle, a third-party could write a competing OS that could run Windows applications.  But the U.S. government allows Microsoft to maintain their monopoly.  Of course, it&#8217;s not really a monopoly, is it?  Mac OS and Linux are quite popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Factor this</title>
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		<dc:creator>Factor this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Crash&lt;/i&gt; was released in the States in April some seven months (!) after it was premiered at a festival in Canada. It has been released across Europe gradually during the summer (not usually a good time for films hereabouts, for obvious reasons), and there seem to be a good many territories where it has yet to surface. Interestingly, it has &lt;b&gt;NOT APPEARED&lt;/b&gt; in DVD yet (September sometime), so I suppose we should ask how you got to see it: I don&#039;t recall your being back in the States this summer. Surely it couldn&#039;t have anything to do with piracy? 

No, that would be unthinkable. :) :) :) :)

P.S. There is no DVD of &lt;i&gt;Millions&lt;/i&gt;, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Crash</i> was released in the States in April some seven months (!) after it was premiered at a festival in Canada. It has been released across Europe gradually during the summer (not usually a good time for films hereabouts, for obvious reasons), and there seem to be a good many territories where it has yet to surface. Interestingly, it has <b>NOT APPEARED</b> in DVD yet (September sometime), so I suppose we should ask how you got to see it: I don&#8217;t recall your being back in the States this summer. Surely it couldn&#8217;t have anything to do with piracy? </p>
<p>No, that would be unthinkable. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. There is no DVD of <i>Millions</i>, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Does anyone know of studies about this, and how to avoid this within a liberal market.&lt;/i&gt;
I don&#039;t know of any studies (economics as a science is on par with astrology anyway in my book) but it is amusing to see libertarians stumble over this issue. Usually it goes in two steps:

1) Vaguely imply how all cartels and monopolies are the result of government regulation
2) Conclude that cartels and monopolies are in fact good for the consumer

&lt;i&gt;However, monopolies don???t exist that much in a free market, unless there is an actual natural monopoly; it is not possible to enter the market profitably at all.&lt;/i&gt;
Have you ever taken a look at the personal computer operating system market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does anyone know of studies about this, and how to avoid this within a liberal market.</i><br />
I don&#8217;t know of any studies (economics as a science is on par with astrology anyway in my book) but it is amusing to see libertarians stumble over this issue. Usually it goes in two steps:</p>
<p>1) Vaguely imply how all cartels and monopolies are the result of government regulation<br />
2) Conclude that cartels and monopolies are in fact good for the consumer</p>
<p><i>However, monopolies don???t exist that much in a free market, unless there is an actual natural monopoly; it is not possible to enter the market profitably at all.</i><br />
Have you ever taken a look at the personal computer operating system market?</p>
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		<title>By: jl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since when were cartels and monopolies not part of the free market?&quot;

Yes, actually you are right. Of course in a completely free market no-one has the right to limit companies making cartels. Does anyone know of studies about this, and how to avoid this within a liberal market. 

However, monopolies don&#039;t exist that much in a free market, unless there is an actual natural monopoly; it is not possible to enter the market profitably at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since when were cartels and monopolies not part of the free market?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, actually you are right. Of course in a completely free market no-one has the right to limit companies making cartels. Does anyone know of studies about this, and how to avoid this within a liberal market. </p>
<p>However, monopolies don&#8217;t exist that much in a free market, unless there is an actual natural monopoly; it is not possible to enter the market profitably at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The current Crash has nothing to do with the Cronenberg movie based on the Ballard book of yore. It just shows how short cultural memory is:-)&lt;/i&gt;
You&#039;re right, I took a closer look and it looked quite interesting, probably better than the Cronenberg Crash. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The current Crash has nothing to do with the Cronenberg movie based on the Ballard book of yore. It just shows how short cultural memory is:-)</i><br />
You&#8217;re right, I took a closer look and it looked quite interesting, probably better than the Cronenberg Crash. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The equilibrium is of course not the one of free markets now, if the cartel really exists, what do you think?&lt;/i&gt;
Since when were cartels and monopolies not part of the free market?

&lt;i&gt;perhaps the ???problem??Â lies elsewhere (higher nominal pay for workers perhaps, higher taxes, better service, better equipment than in other european states?).
for workers perhaps&lt;/i&gt;
News of massive raises to film theatre workers have escaped me. Since 1990 (when the price of a ticket was a little over 4 EUR), income tax and many other taxes have been significantly reduced. The cost of living index was 1 248, in 2004 it was 1 580. (source: &lt;a href=&quot;www.stat.fi&quot;&gt;www.stat.fi&lt;/a&gt;)

&lt;i&gt;(the spending power of finns is the 3rd lowest in EU-15).&lt;/i&gt;
Funny coincidence, we also have the most profitable companies, small to mid-sized ones being on average twice as profitable as in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The equilibrium is of course not the one of free markets now, if the cartel really exists, what do you think?</i><br />
Since when were cartels and monopolies not part of the free market?</p>
<p><i>perhaps the ???problem??Â lies elsewhere (higher nominal pay for workers perhaps, higher taxes, better service, better equipment than in other european states?).<br />
for workers perhaps</i><br />
News of massive raises to film theatre workers have escaped me. Since 1990 (when the price of a ticket was a little over 4 EUR), income tax and many other taxes have been significantly reduced. The cost of living index was 1 248, in 2004 it was 1 580. (source: <a href="www.stat.fi">http://www.stat.fi</a>)</p>
<p><i>(the spending power of finns is the 3rd lowest in EU-15).</i><br />
Funny coincidence, we also have the most profitable companies, small to mid-sized ones being on average twice as profitable as in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number one reason I don&#039;t go to movies that often (but more often than average American, it seems) is the price. It&#039;s the 13-15 euros at the theater or 1.50-3 euros at Makuuni choice, since there&#039;s two of us. For some reason Makuuni prices feel often quite tempting. A movie has to be very interesting for us to go see it in the theater.

With lower prices, we would probably see few movies more. However, the effort is another obstacle which would become more pronounced if the price was lower: it&#039;s just so much easier to just rent the DVD instead of making the trip to the theater...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number one reason I don&#8217;t go to movies that often (but more often than average American, it seems) is the price. It&#8217;s the 13-15 euros at the theater or 1.50-3 euros at Makuuni choice, since there&#8217;s two of us. For some reason Makuuni prices feel often quite tempting. A movie has to be very interesting for us to go see it in the theater.</p>
<p>With lower prices, we would probably see few movies more. However, the effort is another obstacle which would become more pronounced if the price was lower: it&#8217;s just so much easier to just rent the DVD instead of making the trip to the theater&#8230;</p>
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