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		<title>By: hfb</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5731</link>
		<dc:creator>hfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, remember what George Carlin said about 'servicing the customer'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, remember what George Carlin said about &#8217;servicing the customer&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5715</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for answering a rhetorical question. Sure I figured it was a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for answering a rhetorical question. Sure I figured it was a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Anzi</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5714</link>
		<dc:creator>Anzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I???m quite recently married so I wouldn???t want to trade places with anyone.&lt;/i&gt;

Good for you. You do realize that that was a jokingly meant rhetorical question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I???m quite recently married so I wouldn???t want to trade places with anyone.</i></p>
<p>Good for you. You do realize that that was a jokingly meant rhetorical question?</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5711</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I seriously envy you. Want to trade places?"

I'm quite recently married so I wouldn't want to trade places with anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I seriously envy you. Want to trade places?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite recently married so I wouldn&#8217;t want to trade places with anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anzi</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5710</link>
		<dc:creator>Anzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, I???m a guy. A black African guy actually tried to hit on me once but when he understood that I was straight and not interested, there was not the slightest problem.&lt;/i&gt;

I seriously envy you. Want to trade places?

&lt;i&gt;There is enough dumbasses in finnish males so we really don???t need more idiots from other continents.&lt;/i&gt;

I wouldn't say that either. I have also met very many well-behaved, smart people from Africa. I would gladly welcome more people like them. 

But when I make a list of unpleasant droolers in bars, I'm very sorry to say that the top 10 is dominated by the dark continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, I???m a guy. A black African guy actually tried to hit on me once but when he understood that I was straight and not interested, there was not the slightest problem.</i></p>
<p>I seriously envy you. Want to trade places?</p>
<p><i>There is enough dumbasses in finnish males so we really don???t need more idiots from other continents.</i></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that either. I have also met very many well-behaved, smart people from Africa. I would gladly welcome more people like them. </p>
<p>But when I make a list of unpleasant droolers in bars, I&#8217;m very sorry to say that the top 10 is dominated by the dark continent.</p>
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		<title>By: Syltty</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5709</link>
		<dc:creator>Syltty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Believe you me, ???I???m here with my boyfriend, piss off", does NOTHING to get the slimy African man???s slimy hand off my ass when I decide to excercize my right to go to a bar for a quiet drink on a Friday night."

Yeah. Some african dude tried to hit my girlfriend, he just did not believe when she said she already is with somebody. There is enough dumbasses in finnish males so we really don't need more idiots from other continents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Believe you me, ???I???m here with my boyfriend, piss off&#8221;, does NOTHING to get the slimy African man???s slimy hand off my ass when I decide to excercize my right to go to a bar for a quiet drink on a Friday night.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah. Some african dude tried to hit my girlfriend, he just did not believe when she said she already is with somebody. There is enough dumbasses in finnish males so we really don&#8217;t need more idiots from other continents.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5708</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I'm a guy. A black African guy actually tried to hit on me once but when he understood that I was straight and not interested, there was not the slightest problem. The only person who ever touched my ass in a bar was a white woman but she didn't mean it in a bad way and I wasn't offended. At that time I was single and I guess she was simply trying to tell me that if she hadn't been there with her then boyfriend she might have been interested in something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a guy. A black African guy actually tried to hit on me once but when he understood that I was straight and not interested, there was not the slightest problem. The only person who ever touched my ass in a bar was a white woman but she didn&#8217;t mean it in a bad way and I wasn&#8217;t offended. At that time I was single and I guess she was simply trying to tell me that if she hadn&#8217;t been there with her then boyfriend she might have been interested in something.</p>
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		<title>By: Anzi</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5707</link>
		<dc:creator>Anzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And I have yet to meet a single African who has behaved toward me in a racist manner, even though I???m not black.&lt;/i&gt;

Let me guess: you're a guy. 
Believe you me, "I'm here with my boyfriend, piss off", does NOTHING to get the slimy African man's slimy hand off my ass when I decide to excercize my right to go to a bar for a quiet drink on a Friday night. 
It works on most Finnish men, though.

It seems to me as if most men from Africa think that a white woman in a bar = whore. 
Then again, many Finnish men think that Russian/Estonian woman = whore. 
I guess this problem is more about sexism from the men's part than it is about racism, although it certainly is a combination of both. It is equally disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And I have yet to meet a single African who has behaved toward me in a racist manner, even though I???m not black.</i></p>
<p>Let me guess: you&#8217;re a guy.<br />
Believe you me, &#8220;I&#8217;m here with my boyfriend, piss off&#8221;, does NOTHING to get the slimy African man&#8217;s slimy hand off my ass when I decide to excercize my right to go to a bar for a quiet drink on a Friday night.<br />
It works on most Finnish men, though.</p>
<p>It seems to me as if most men from Africa think that a white woman in a bar = whore.<br />
Then again, many Finnish men think that Russian/Estonian woman = whore.<br />
I guess this problem is more about sexism from the men&#8217;s part than it is about racism, although it certainly is a combination of both. It is equally disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5703</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make, I don't think the only definition of a welfare state is the classical Nordic model. All states evolve over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make, I don&#8217;t think the only definition of a welfare state is the classical Nordic model. All states evolve over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5702</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of a monocultural state is outdated. I don't think you can ask anyone for more than obeying the laws of this country. Religious freedom is in our culture, it is no longer a foreign idea that has to be imported from the United States or something.

If Finland would be truly a one-culture nation, I don't think any other religion than Lutheranism would be tolerated. But we are not a nation of one religion and we've never been that no matter how much that would have been the desire of the state.

When I go get a haircut, somebody from Africa does that job. Now if Syltty were to decide, that service would not be available to me. During the years I've met plenty of other Africans, who have turned out to be smart people willing to work. And I have yet to meet a single African who has behaved toward me in a racist manner, even though I'm not black. I know I haven't travelled in Africa but I know enough of the unbelievable diversity of African cultures, languages, religions, customs and so on to know that the idea that all Africans are the same is nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of a monocultural state is outdated. I don&#8217;t think you can ask anyone for more than obeying the laws of this country. Religious freedom is in our culture, it is no longer a foreign idea that has to be imported from the United States or something.</p>
<p>If Finland would be truly a one-culture nation, I don&#8217;t think any other religion than Lutheranism would be tolerated. But we are not a nation of one religion and we&#8217;ve never been that no matter how much that would have been the desire of the state.</p>
<p>When I go get a haircut, somebody from Africa does that job. Now if Syltty were to decide, that service would not be available to me. During the years I&#8217;ve met plenty of other Africans, who have turned out to be smart people willing to work. And I have yet to meet a single African who has behaved toward me in a racist manner, even though I&#8217;m not black. I know I haven&#8217;t travelled in Africa but I know enough of the unbelievable diversity of African cultures, languages, religions, customs and so on to know that the idea that all Africans are the same is nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Make</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5698</link>
		<dc:creator>Make</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: a recently-published report by the Finnish Ministry of Social Affairs and Health says that Finland is no longer a welfare state in the classic Nordic sense of the term...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: a recently-published report by the Finnish Ministry of Social Affairs and Health says that Finland is no longer a welfare state in the classic Nordic sense of the term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Finnpundit</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5692</link>
		<dc:creator>Finnpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota builds in Ontario because the wages are cheaper there than in the US, even with the low dollar.  The costs of healthcare, also, are borne by Canadian workers, in their personal income taxes:  so Toyota is off the hook for having to provide for that, as in the US.  And it doesn't surprise me that a Canadian representative would have disparaging things to say about America:  he is a competitor.

It's fantastic that the obvious has to be explained to a Finn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota builds in Ontario because the wages are cheaper there than in the US, even with the low dollar.  The costs of healthcare, also, are borne by Canadian workers, in their personal income taxes:  so Toyota is off the hook for having to provide for that, as in the US.  And it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that a Canadian representative would have disparaging things to say about America:  he is a competitor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fantastic that the obvious has to be explained to a Finn.</p>
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		<title>By: Syltty</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5691</link>
		<dc:creator>Syltty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"???We need to keep our little welfare state utopia, we couldn???t possibly cut any public services, so we???ll need to import foreigners to drive our buses, sweep our sidewalks, and clean our toilets so we Finns can continue to enjoy our short work weeks and long vacation time which we???ve come to expect.??Â

Sounds good plan. Add cut for unemployment benefits so we can get some lazy finss to work :) 

But one thing is sure: please no muslims to this country. Anything else but no muslims. I am sure that for example Latin America is full of people who would like to work in Finland if advertised properly.

And second thing: assimilation. No multiculturism. So that is why we can't take very much immigrants.

And third thing: no africans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;???We need to keep our little welfare state utopia, we couldn???t possibly cut any public services, so we???ll need to import foreigners to drive our buses, sweep our sidewalks, and clean our toilets so we Finns can continue to enjoy our short work weeks and long vacation time which we???ve come to expect.??Â</p>
<p>Sounds good plan. Add cut for unemployment benefits so we can get some lazy finss to work <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But one thing is sure: please no muslims to this country. Anything else but no muslims. I am sure that for example Latin America is full of people who would like to work in Finland if advertised properly.</p>
<p>And second thing: assimilation. No multiculturism. So that is why we can&#8217;t take very much immigrants.</p>
<p>And third thing: no africans.</p>
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		<title>By: tim73</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5688</link>
		<dc:creator>tim73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birth rates are rapidly declining everywhere in the world, even in countries like Mexico, India and China. So this thinking, that there will be endless "replacement" supply of refugees and immigrants, is just outdated. 

Only solution left is simply to have more babies. It doesn't mean that women should go back to being barefoot baby factories. If the family norm would be three chilren instead of two, it would solve the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birth rates are rapidly declining everywhere in the world, even in countries like Mexico, India and China. So this thinking, that there will be endless &#8220;replacement&#8221; supply of refugees and immigrants, is just outdated. </p>
<p>Only solution left is simply to have more babies. It doesn&#8217;t mean that women should go back to being barefoot baby factories. If the family norm would be three chilren instead of two, it would solve the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/07/25/sdp-on-immigration/#comment-5687</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as Phil would like to scrap the welfare state, I don't think he would like to replace it with the US system. Anyway, it's very hard for a libertarian to argue for a system, they tend to be in opposition. Phil can take solace in the fact that as today's reality is yesterday's utopia, so can today's utopia be tomorrow's reality. Maybe our great-grandchildren will live completely without welfare right here in Finland, who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as Phil would like to scrap the welfare state, I don&#8217;t think he would like to replace it with the US system. Anyway, it&#8217;s very hard for a libertarian to argue for a system, they tend to be in opposition. Phil can take solace in the fact that as today&#8217;s reality is yesterday&#8217;s utopia, so can today&#8217;s utopia be tomorrow&#8217;s reality. Maybe our great-grandchildren will live completely without welfare right here in Finland, who knows?</p>
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