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11.7.2005

Is success determined by forces outside our control?

Tags: Uncategorized — Author: @ 8:05 pm

“Is success determined by forces outside our control?”
United States | 32% YES – 65% NO – 3% N/A
France | 53% YES – 45% NO – 2% N/A
Italy | 65% YES – 32% NO – 3% N/A
Germany | 67% YES – 32% NO – 1% N/A

The following interpretation seems plausible: In the United States the average rich person approves of redistribution because she perceives her attained status as precarious and therefore wants a social safety net to be provided just in case she needs it. In Europe it’s the average poor person who favors redistrbution because he doesn’t believe he has the opportunity to move up.

That pattern could explain why redistribution in America is much more efficiently directed toward the needy than it is in Europe. To simplify matters a bit: The well-to-do in the United States want to be insured against the consequences of, say, a job loss. Therefore, they have an interest in welfare measures that actually help those in need. Not so in continental Europe: When the rich feel secure in their status, they have no interest in a top-to-bottom redistribution. Instead they will see to it that money taken by the state from their left pocket is channeled right back into their right pocket.

Stats from Pew Research Center 2003 – Interpretation from Olaf Gersemann’s “Cowboy Capitalism”

  • tim73

    “Why redistribution in America is much more efficiently directed toward the needy than it is in Europe”

    So that’s why there is 45 million people without any kind of health insurance in the US. They are just all “bravehearts” with no need for stinking insurances?

    “In the EU, there are approximately 322 physicians per 100,000 people, whereas in the United States there are only 279. The United States ranks 26th among the industrial nations in infant mortality, well below the EU average. The average life span in the 15 most developed EU countries is now 78.01 years, compared to 76.9 years in the United States.”

    http://www.utne.com/pub/2004_125/promo/11349-1.html

    Maybe you should read that book too after you have finished Cowboy Capitalism…

  • Krasnapolski

    How about this analysis:
    Europeans think that the macroeconomy is mainly dependant on the success of major economies like America ? Where Americans know how big role their economy is in pushing the success forward ?

    I believe that this statistics shows Mr. Jack’s it. Its much too vague. What the hell is ‘success’ ? Is success same thing to US citizens and French ?

  • http://stockholmslender.blogspot.com mjr

    Well, this is what the right wing in the US is specialicing: cherry picking whatever they can to snipe at Europe. Not that it doesn’t work the otherway round also, but these things are so complicated that you can’t express them in soundbites or Russ Limpaugh type “journalism”. If you ever can compare societies meaningfully (as the differences are often cultural and their value subjective) you should do it as totalities. For what it’s worth I think that the European way is more rational and more just than the American winner takes all model. It is true that the US generates more return to investment but since when that’s being a central factor in measuring the justness and rationality of societies?

  • Phil

    So that???s why there is 45 million people without any kind of health insurance in the US.

    Have a look at this…

    http://www.finlandforthought.net/index.php?p=60

    …Americans can afford healthcare, they’re just choosing not to get it.

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