Comments on: OECD: Finnish family childcare benefits too good http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:39:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Thomas http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-5322 Thomas Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:50:09 +0000 /?p=620#comment-5322 "Growing up, a neighbor of ours ran an after school day care from her house. She charged just a few dollars a day. The kids were fed, entertained, taught. It was good and cheap, all the kids and parents raved about Mrs. Adams. It???s only when the government steps in and makes daycare mondo-expensive." And Mrs. Adams, naturally exists everywhere. Even though Mrs. Adams is an - economically thinking - idiot, she will still always be there, even in the libertarian (and oh so very economically oriented) utopia. Are you really this stupid? What kind of an IT-company would hire anyone as stupid as you? IT is about logic, right? And you are lacking in that department. Sorry. Tell me what company you're working for, and I'm going to make sure I'm not using their services anymore. “Growing up, a neighbor of ours ran an after school day care from her house. She charged just a few dollars a day. The kids were fed, entertained, taught. It was good and cheap, all the kids and parents raved about Mrs. Adams. It???s only when the government steps in and makes daycare mondo-expensive.”

And Mrs. Adams, naturally exists everywhere. Even though Mrs. Adams is an - economically thinking - idiot, she will still always be there, even in the libertarian (and oh so very economically oriented) utopia. Are you really this stupid? What kind of an IT-company would hire anyone as stupid as you? IT is about logic, right? And you are lacking in that department. Sorry.

Tell me what company you’re working for, and I’m going to make sure I’m not using their services anymore.

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-4161 Phil Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:00:48 +0000 /?p=620#comment-4161 <i>pay 1000 euros per child for child care. </i> Growing up, a neighbor of ours ran an after school day care from her house. She charged just a few dollars a day. The kids were fed, entertained, taught. It was good and cheap, all the kids and parents raved about Mrs. Adams. It's only when the government steps in and makes daycare mondo-expensive. pay 1000 euros per child for child care.

Growing up, a neighbor of ours ran an after school day care from her house. She charged just a few dollars a day. The kids were fed, entertained, taught. It was good and cheap, all the kids and parents raved about Mrs. Adams. It’s only when the government steps in and makes daycare mondo-expensive.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-4152 Thomas Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:09:14 +0000 /?p=620#comment-4152 Phil. I have friends in the U.K. who - according to what they say - pay 1000 euros per child for child care. Isn't that exactly what I said, i.e. it gives the RICH the freedom to choose? Phil.

I have friends in the U.K. who - according to what they say - pay 1000 euros per child for child care. Isn’t that exactly what I said, i.e. it gives the RICH the freedom to choose?

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3917 Phil Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:22:03 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3917 <i>In what way?</i> I'm agreeing with M?¶nk?¤re/Hyss?¤l?¤ and not OECD. <i>Non-libertarian kindergardens give people a right to choose. Libertarian principles gives the RICH a freedom to choose. So what is the libertarian ???caring?? in this case?</i> Huh? In what way?

I’m agreeing with M?¶nk?¤re/Hyss?¤l?¤ and not OECD.

Non-libertarian kindergardens give people a right to choose. Libertarian principles gives the RICH a freedom to choose. So what is the libertarian ???caring?? in this case?

Huh?

]]> By: Thomas http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3909 Thomas Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:42:59 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3909 "Hey I???m siding with the welfare state here!" In what way? "Let each family individually decide that for their child." Non-libertarian kindergardens give people a right to choose. Libertarian principles gives the RICH a freedom to choose. So what is the libertarian "caring" in this case? “Hey I???m siding with the welfare state here!”

In what way?

“Let each family individually decide that for their child.”

Non-libertarian kindergardens give people a right to choose. Libertarian principles gives the RICH a freedom to choose. So what is the libertarian “caring” in this case?

]]> By: Tomi http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3809 Tomi Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:44:39 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3809 In fact the kids who have been raised at home are and will be on average worse off than those in day care, in particular when we are talking about the underpriviledged kids. Well, at least, in Sweden - I don't know if this have been studied in Finland. In fact the kids who have been raised at home are and will be on average worse off than those in day care, in particular when we are talking about the underpriviledged kids. Well, at least, in Sweden - I don’t know if this have been studied in Finland.

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3780 Phil Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:18:25 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3780 Hey I'm siding with the welfare state here! <i>And it seems research - no doubt ideology in your case is more important - shows that kindergarden has benefits as well.</i> Let each family individually decide that for their child. <i>But, libertarians don???t care about these things do they?</i> They care about these issues very much! Hey I’m siding with the welfare state here!

And it seems research - no doubt ideology in your case is more important - shows that kindergarden has benefits as well.

Let each family individually decide that for their child.

But, libertarians don???t care about these things do they?

They care about these issues very much!

]]> By: Thomas http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3776 Thomas Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:36:30 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3776 Phil How many kids have you raised since yoe seem to be such an "authority" (ha ha) on how this business should be handled? "Dumping off". Typical of you (it seems) to debate issues in this way. For many kids (I have such a kid but I won't go into the details - medical - why he is such a kid) it seems to be really beneficial, to be "dumped off". The example from other kids is the key. If we (my wife and I) could redo history, we would have "dumped our youngest one off" earlier. And it seems research - no doubt ideology in your case is more important - shows that kindergarden has benefits as well. But, libertarians don't care about these things do they? Phil

How many kids have you raised since yoe seem to be such an “authority” (ha ha) on how this business should be handled?

“Dumping off”. Typical of you (it seems) to debate issues in this way. For many kids (I have such a kid but I won’t go into the details - medical - why he is such a kid) it seems to be really beneficial, to be “dumped off”. The example from other kids is the key. If we (my wife and I) could redo history, we would have “dumped our youngest one off” earlier.

And it seems research - no doubt ideology in your case is more important - shows that kindergarden has benefits as well.

But, libertarians don’t care about these things do they?

]]> By: An equal parent http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3742 An equal parent Tue, 31 May 2005 21:51:34 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3742 I was shocked when I read about the OECD suggestion. In Helsingin sanomat it was stated that the <em>women</em> stay home for too long, looking after the childern. What happened to the fathers? Why aren't the representatives of OECD worried about the lack of time fathers are spending with their children? Why isn't it suggested that the parental responsibilites should be shared equally? Why the "blame" is - once again - thrown on the shoulders of women? I have yet to see a child that could not be taken care by his/her father, especially after the approx. 9-11 months period of breast-feeding. Many children are looked after at home until they are 2 or 3 years old. This leaves <em>many</em> fathers YEARS to look after the children at home. This would compensate for the maternity leave, physical strains of child birth and the often occurring career disturbances the women must face. Seems fair, doesn't it? How did it not occur to the thinkers at OECD? I was shocked when I read about the OECD suggestion. In Helsingin sanomat it was stated that the women stay home for too long, looking after the childern. What happened to the fathers? Why aren’t the representatives of OECD worried about the lack of time fathers are spending with their children? Why isn’t it suggested that the parental responsibilites should be shared equally? Why the “blame” is - once again - thrown on the shoulders of women? I have yet to see a child that could not be taken care by his/her father, especially after the approx. 9-11 months period of breast-feeding. Many children are looked after at home until they are 2 or 3 years old. This leaves many fathers YEARS to look after the children at home. This would compensate for the maternity leave, physical strains of child birth and the often occurring career disturbances the women must face.

Seems fair, doesn’t it? How did it not occur to the thinkers at OECD?

]]> By: sanna http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3706 sanna Tue, 31 May 2005 12:35:05 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3706 Giving benefits for stay-at-home-parents may be cheaper than providing daycare facilities for the society, that's true. However, the benefits are rather small and even with this system, it's mainly the well-off parents who have the chance to choose between staying home and returning to work after parental leave. I wouldn't still talk about "dumping kids off at some daycare center". Very small kids are often cared for by women or men called perhep?¤iv?¤hoitajat (have no idea what that could be in English) which means that they stay at someone's home in a group of just a few kids when the parents go to work. And if they ARE dropped at daycare centers, there's still not too much to worry about. The standards of such centers are high in Finland and the care is generally very good. Most young adults of today have spent their childhood in such centers and they've turned out ok :). No reason to judge the parents when it comes to this issue. The idea behind such benefits AND a network of communal daycare facilities is that the parents have the freedom to choose whether they want to stay home or return to work after parental leave. What works for someone may not work for someone else. Giving benefits for stay-at-home-parents may be cheaper than providing daycare facilities for the society, that’s true. However, the benefits are rather small and even with this system, it’s mainly the well-off parents who have the chance to choose between staying home and returning to work after parental leave.
I wouldn’t still talk about “dumping kids off at some daycare center”. Very small kids are often cared for by women or men called perhep?¤iv?¤hoitajat (have no idea what that could be in English) which means that they stay at someone’s home in a group of just a few kids when the parents go to work. And if they ARE dropped at daycare centers, there’s still not too much to worry about. The standards of such centers are high in Finland and the care is generally very good. Most young adults of today have spent their childhood in such centers and they’ve turned out ok :). No reason to judge the parents when it comes to this issue.

The idea behind such benefits AND a network of communal daycare facilities is that the parents have the freedom to choose whether they want to stay home or return to work after parental leave. What works for someone may not work for someone else.

]]> By: Lauri http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3662 Lauri Mon, 30 May 2005 11:25:17 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3662 Just to be sure: you would still have the (libertarian) model where there wouldnt be any benefits over the current system in Finland? Just to be sure: you would still have the (libertarian) model where there wouldnt be any benefits over the current system in Finland?

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3657 Phil Mon, 30 May 2005 09:26:21 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3657 The only thing that's worse than the welfare state is this half-ass, watered-down welfare state that we kinda have in the United States something the OECD might like Finland to have. So given the two options presented in the article, I definitely choose the current model for child support compared to OECD's suggestions. The only thing that’s worse than the welfare state is this half-ass, watered-down welfare state that we kinda have in the United States something the OECD might like Finland to have.

So given the two options presented in the article, I definitely choose the current model for child support compared to OECD’s suggestions.

]]> By: Lauri http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/05/30/oecd-finnish-family-childcare-benefits-too-good/#comment-3655 Lauri Mon, 30 May 2005 09:04:48 +0000 /?p=620#comment-3655 Shouldnt you be against these kinds of benefits? Doesnt the money belong to the taxpayers? Shouldnt you be against these kinds of benefits? Doesnt the money belong to the taxpayers?

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