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26.5.2005

Why baseball is much bigger than football soccer in the U.S.

Tags: Uncategorized — Author: @ 2:26 pm
 

Baseball is huge in the U.S., soccer is not. Soccer is huge worldwide, baseball is not. So why is baseball so big in the U.S. and soccer ain’t..??

1. In the nineteenth century, soccer was used to cement business relationships, just as golf might be used today. The British elite – led by “gentlemen amateurs” — spread soccer through the empire with deliberately imperial goals.

2. American baseball was commercialized to greater degree. Monopoly leagues made the game more profitable and better organized, but were less effective for spreading the sport overseas. Monopolists, after all, do restrict output to some degree. The U.S. organized few overseas baseball tours, but we did get baseball to the Caribbean and Japan.

3. The rise of nationalism in the early twentieth century boosted soccer as a means of expressing rivalries; no comparable international network existed for baseball at the time.

4. The combination of hierarchical leagues and not-for-profit clubs, which has characterized soccer for the twentieth century, is poorly suited to the age of modern commercial sport. Its days probably are numbered.

..from the Brookings Institute’s new book distribution of soccer and baseball around the world. Link and text from Marginal Revolution.

  • Frustrated Finn

    Actually I’m not commenting about the baseball thing, even though I’ve seen few baseball games in the US (they are slooow and loooong games!).. just wanted to drop a word and say I read most of your stuff in here and I say I completely agree with you on 99% of cases. I don’t want to sound like a fanboy, but I’m just saying keep up the good work, your observations have been noticed by few others as well and we are tired of it, too. The bad news is, there won’t be any change in the future either. To none of these issues… welcome to Finland, where even the far right wing is supporting the welfare state model, and everyone else is ‘nazis’ who want to see poor people die in poverty and only super rich getting bandates in the ER.

    Cheers,

    Frustrated Finn

  • Ace

    How often do you get a baseball game like last night’s Champions Legue final? That was amazing stuff…for a football fan.

  • Lewis

    Interesting analysis though speaking as a brit I think point one is incorrect. Look at the distribution of rugby and cricket especially and you see imperial spread. I would say that in the UK the british elite until very recently ignored football even discouraged it and that rugby and cricket were considered ‘sport for gentlemen’.Football may genuinely be a sport ‘of the people’. Points 2 & 3 I can take. As for point 4 better call Malcolm Glazer owner of some American football team and now recent purchaser of Manchester United to tell him what a mistake he’s made.

    By the way always love to read your blog although my views often very different.

  • Tiedemies

    I think the person who wrote that analysis should change his medication. C’mon, baseball is played only in the US and this guy has some delusions that soccer “days are numbered”? Soccer has never been a bigger business as it is now.

    I just don’t get this American self-centerism.

  • Phil

    C???mon, baseball is played only in the US

    Err, no. Baseball is huge in Central America, partially in South American, big in Japan and popular in Australia.

  • Tom

    “Its [soccers] days probably are numbered.”

    Errrr, this was a joke, right?

  • Phil

    Errrr, this was a joke, right?

    You’d have to ask the people at the Brookings Institute. If anyone listens to the Diane Rehm Show on 97.5 Capital FM from 17-18, then you’re familar with them. I knew they were a collection of idiots after listening to her show, statements like that only give me more proof.

  • sppuuddy

    soccer will never be popular in the u.s the media are not interested in promoting a game with so few advertising slots available baseball american football 4 hours of not really much happening advertisers dream. fifa nearly took the 1994 world cup away from the states because the u.s networks were tryin to make the games into 4 quarters to gain more ad revenue. hands off the beautiful game!

  • http://finnpundit.blogspot.com Finnpundit

    The Brookings study’s conclusions are based completely on the marketable survivability of not-for-profit soccer; in that sense, they may be right. As sppuuddy points out, it’s all about marketing.

    It’s actually incorrect to characterize FIFA as the wronged party in the 1994 imbroglio. The fact is that FIFA wanted to cash in on the billion dollar US sports market, and hoped to entice Americans to the sport, thinking rich American fans were the basis for that market. They just didn’t get it that ad time is where the money is.

    Quite frankly, I’ve always enjoyed the innovations Finns put into pes?¤pallo, which was based on American baseball. Finns deemed baseball too slow, and tried to jazz it up a bit. I think it worked, but it won’t stand a chance in the marketplace.

  • Eino-Kalevi

    Soccer? What is that? There’s only one football! And then there’s some American sports they call “football”, although you can even use hands in that. That ain’t no football!

  • Toby

    Phil- I agree with Ace that you’ve got football history totally wrong. It is the working class sport and has been professionalised for over a century I think. Compare this to Rugby that split into two seperate sports over professionalisation (League and Union) and to a certain degree north/south (The big league teams – the pros – are in the big industrial cities of the north, whilst the Union teams traditionally came from the wealthier south and was always played a lot in Universities).

    You should read Michael Mandelbaum’s book on this, its meant to be very good (he is one of the most prominent International Relations Professors in the world, but also clearly a sports nut). His argument is that it is basketball not baseball that stops football taking off in the States. Read his argument here: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,6903,1270849,00.html (well worth five minutes!)

  • Phil

    Toby – question, do you think I wrote the entire original post or do you think I just copy and pasted some text from a book written by the Brookings Institute and don’t agree, nor disagree with it?

  • Rhys

    “Err, no. Baseball is huge in Central America, partially in South American, big in Japan and popular in Australia.”

    Out of 52 sports/sport areas listed, 43 rank above baseball…
    http://www.ausport.gov.au/scorsresearch/nationaltablesERASS2003.pdf
    Don’t believe the pro-baseball sites :)

    -just an aussie pointing out an error, and great site Phil

  • Toby

    Sorry then, I thought you were suggesting that the quote was an explanation and answer to your question. I’ll rephrase: “I agree with Ace that the people at Brookings have got football history totally wrong”. But what do you think about Mandelbaum suggestion that basketball is the alternative to football? Makes a lot of sense to me. Both are easy and fun to play just for a laugh, even when you suck at anything involving a ball as much as me.

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