Last year, in Hungary, Austro-Ukrainian-Israeli business was caught selling tons of (mainly German) food that was 2 years off. I take it as attempt of food poisoning…

Yesterday, with the help of the CAI, 13 people were caught in Hungary –inc. 3 Israeli citizens- that were making false bills in the value of 11 milliard Ft during the last 6 years, giving financial support to Russian criminals…(Thanks a lot)

My government openly calls himself not Hungarian, but “international”, (so don’t blame us if they do something bad)-wants to have a new subject in the school called holocaust. Why? It is already inc. in the subject of history! Meanwhile, we are not allowed even to talk openly about the real history of my country.
They started to destroy all our national symbols too, spreading around the world that our 2000 years old red/white flag in ‘nazi’, everyone with national colours are extremist and they will destroy our “Turul” statue in Buda too…
This government wants to exterminate my nation morally, financially and physically too…
When 2 left politician were caught on “child porn”, my government wanted to change the law about the age limit of taking part in such things to the age of 14!!!
Moreover, there is a cartoon series (made by nameless people), where the style is: our biggest national hero shags a horse; Virgin Mary is raped by solders… etc.

If people go on the street to demonstrate for their rights, they are beaten up, imprisoned and marked as anti-Semite. And they even manage to spread lies around the world…
(what had really happened: http://www.pestylaszlo.hu/)

Who makes these things? How can they win such court cases? Who want to make us believe that all this is not done by Christians?

Let???s examine that open letter a bit further. This guy Sauli Suikkanen decided to answer on behalf of the Finnish government, incensed as he was to this latest calumny against Finnish righteousness. His first salvos are, – in his mind ??? certain inviolably ???international?? determinations that the state of Israel has somehow sinned against international justice. This appeal for an ill-defined universal justice is weak to begin with, as we all know it isn???t ???international?? at all: Europeans just take it upon themselves to assume that they have the moral grounding to define what is internationally just. So, though weak, he tries to gain the moral high ground, forgetting that it would be more useful to address an adversarial argument with a basis acceptable to the opponent.

The heart of his argument is there must be some connivance on the part of Israel to just put in an order for only two of the gas detectors. He assumes, – based on some vague mentions of past behavior he doesn???t bother elaborating on – that the purpose of the Israelis is only to study these two devices in order to steal the patented secrets of the devices, thus robbing honest Finnish engineers and laborers of the fruits of their labors. Yet if that truly was the intention of the Israelis, don???t you think Mossad would have done that already by purchasing such devices through the numerous front companies intelligence agencies the world over operate for the purposes of industrial espionage?

It seems to me that here was an honest attempt by Israel to do the right thing, by buying some prototypes, testing them in their own domestic conditions, and then attempting to establish a trade relationship with a nation they would very much like to have good relations with. In fact, in many ways, this purchase attempt was most likely a feeler ??? a test case ??? for whether or not Finland had evolved to the point that it would supply products to Israel designed primarily for civilian defense.

Of course, thanks to that blind fool, Tuomioja, and his numerous acolytes in Finland (like Suikkanen), the test showed that Finland was not willing to bridge the gap. Most likely Mossad will have acquired the device surreptitiously by now, and will manufacture a knock-off, modified enough so as not to elicit patent-infringement suits (and good for them). The company that designed the product lost a major sale, – major, considering the use of such devices in a known danger zone would be a great selling point – and Finland lost a chance to enhance an export market.

And what was gained for Finland? A morally higher ground? Hardly. For this incident just gave added indication that there is an operative at play in Finnish political decision-making when it comes to Israel. And that operative ??? anti-Semitism ??? is perhaps a harder reputation to shake than any short-term political points won by Tuomioja. Those points, after all, will hardly be noticed in the outside world, yet they will serve to enforce the smug, self-righteous, anti-Semitic stance of Finns at home.

Which, most likely, was not such an unwelcome result for a welfare-state adherent like Tuomioja, who needs to find outside enemies (Israel and, by extension, the US) in order to justify that state???s existence. Anti-Semitism, after all, has been used in the past to build national support for all kinds of state authorities??¦.

In other words, to paraphrase “At the beginning of the second paragraph of your post above ‘we can already see that the author has a specific bias’”. Or else he’s a complete neophyte.

Except your bias is alright. It’s only bias that disagrees with your point of view that is skewed and “anti-semitic”.

This is YOUR “specific point of logic”. A reflection of we know not what.

“O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
No more of that.” (King Lear)

And please, it is disinGENUOUS. A word I’m surprised you slipped up on.

At the beginning of the letter we can already see that the author has a specific bias. And his conjecture that the Israelis were going to “steal” (after all, that’s what Jews do) the important patent rights was rather disingenious, given that they simply could also have just wished to test some prototypes in the prospect of putting in a larger order. It is Suikkanen that goes on a limb to make that biased conjecture; we can only assume that he might harbor an inherent anti-Semitic bias for doing so.

Please address the issues put forward in this letter to the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The spelling and syntactical errors are the original writer’s. The case of the gas detectors was, as has been amply pointed out by other minds before me, very much more one of the protection of intellectual property rights than of depriving the Israeli people (or as many of them as could be safeguarded by TWO gas detectors) of the protection they deserve (and I feel VERY few would disagree with you on that score) in the face of what is a very dangerous and disturbing situation. One that none of us sitting comfortably in Helsinki or New York would wish to share.

Pvm: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:21:03 +0200
L?¤hett?¤j?¤: “Sauli Suikkanen” <0505250…@mobiili.net
Vastaanottaja: informat…@wiesenthal.net
Otsikko: Israel trade with Finland

To The Simon Weisenthal Center, Abraham Cooper

The Simon Wiesenthal Center has recently, among certain other US citizens, showed concern about Finland’s recent decision of not to give export permission to two gas detectors to Israel.

http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_item.cfm?ItemId=6664

First, I would like to point out that Israel has not ratified
The Chemical Weapons Convention treaty, essentially leaving
itself in to same category with Syria and Libya, except of
course that they don’t possess atomic weapons, as Israel does.

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/cwcunderstanding.asp.

There seems to be enough published evidence of Israel’s CW
program:

http://www.bsos.umd.edu/pgsd/people/staffpubs/Avner-CBWart.pdf.

Israel has also showed long-term reluctance to
comply with a number of United Nations resolutions and in
several cases refused to co-operate with the UN, alike Iraq.
Israel has also violated the human rights of the Palestinians
in areas that it has occupied for 35 years.

Thus in this light some claims of the SWC look somewhat
hypocritical and dubious.

But as I, besides The Simon Wiesenthal Center and Jewish
communities of USA, also am concerned about the wellfare and
safety of the citizens of Israel, I will make an educated guess:
The government of Finland will probably review it’s current stand
on not to give export permission to certain advanced gas
detectors to Israel, if, – and if – , the Israeli trade partner
will show honest means of doing long term business by reviewing
the number of gas detectors it intends to acquire. Shall we
say, 100 to 1000 gas detectors instead of only 2, for starters?
Wouldn’t that be a true manifestation of willingness to protect
the Israel?

To say the former in other way: the current status of the
copyright and patent infringement laws and their enforcement in
Israel, besides the general attitudes towards intellectual
property protection there, proven in a number of real life
cases, leave a lot to be desired. But as it is said: if there
is a will, there is a way. We just hope that the friends of
the Israel wouldn’t try to pursue their objectives in such a
manner that easily gives the impression of means of
contributing to Israeli high-tech industry’s technological
shortcut advancement, at the cost of small innovative Finnish
enterprises and the jobs of their employees.

Regards,

Sauli T. Suikkanen
Espoo, Otaniemi
Finland

I have no idea who this Sauli is, but he has hit the nail firmly on the head. Why TWO gas detectors? Are the Finns ALSO guilty of lying about the earlier incident that led to their scepticism over this case? On what do you base your assumption that they are lying? Please don’t say “They are all anti-semites”. I think we have been through that one.

Doubtless many are wondering what it was or who it was that gave you that monumental anti-Finnish chip on your shoulder – she must have really messed with your little pointed head, bless her heart.

There IS no rational argument to be had with one so profoundly blinkered, and there is no pleasure to be had in wrestling with a dead sheep. The best thing to do is to hold one’s nose and hope it rots quickly.

You really should come to Finland in the summer, Finnpundit. I’m sure the wife-carrying competitions could be modified to allow you to carry the enormous chip you appear to have coming out of your shoulder.

And as to Finland being a deceptive nation, yes, that is true. As I’ve said earlier, finlandization was a policy line that deeply corrupted political thinking in Finland. It was effective as policy, for a time, but there’s a heavy price to pay, as Finnish leaders are unable to shake off the habit even when conditions to its adoption have disappeared.

Hank W., I’ve known the history of all that you’ve described. Nothing that I’ve said contradicts what you’ve described. So, again, what’s your point?