Comments on: Keep the state the hell out of religion

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By: Antti (the red neck one)

Antti (the red neck one) — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:19:57 +0000

At least the beginning of this state church thing is *uplifting*. Henry VIII wanted to get married every once in a while and Gustaf Wasa of Sweden needed a good excuse to loot the rich monasteries.

By: Hank W.

Hank W. — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:00:53 +0000

Ah, Finnpundit, if you read the Acts you are correct - the early Christians were communists, so they really are left-wing compared to the SocDems. Look what happened to poor kulak Ananias…

By: Finnpundit

Finnpundit — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:26:15 +0000

(I should correct myself pronto - before someone pipes up - by noting that I should have said that the Sosdems and the Christians are ideologically placed on the extremes of each other to the left and right…)

By: Finnpundit

Finnpundit — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:51:42 +0000

Ironically, when confronted by Pharisees about whether Jews should pay taxes to Rome, Jesus counseled to “give to Rome [in taxes] what is Rome’s, and give to God what is God’s” - a clear statement, as I see it, for the separation of church and state.

I just don’t see state churches, from the papacy on to protestant state churches, as being nothing but in contravention to Christian beliefs, which in early history were always in conflict with state power. (For the record, I should point out that I’m an atheist.)

It is surprising that the various church political parties in Scandinavian countries, and the Social Democratic parties, - though ideologically placed on the extremes of the left and right - are so often in tone and demeanor quite in sync with each other. On examination, though, it makes sense. Both purport to care about the people, but both are conjoined in their belief in the primacy of the state (and the state church) in expressing this care for the people.

As a libertarian, I would like to see a shaking off of all this unwanted care from these… creeps.

By: Stello

Stello — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:08:32 +0000

I left it to join the Catholic Church. So, there can be other reasons for it than saving money

By: Reko

Reko — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:20:13 +0000

Well you can get married in a church too even though you don’t belong to a church. They all do accept money after all I just separated from the church before the turn of the year and recruited some other guys to come with me. It’s mostly that 1-2% that’s the problem, I feel alot more safe by donating the money to red cross or whatever where the money has at least gone through me and I actually put it towards a cause that I can at least have a hunch of where it’s going.

By: Jill

Jill — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:25:21 +0000

I think that Jesus would say, that keep the state and church separate, independent, and responsible for their own actions. There are a lot free Christian churches in Finland, not only in the U.S., and their membership is by choice, and economy based on voluntary giving, not on taxes. I dont say that this is necessarily better, and may even cause “controlling” of the members, which I understood also happens in the Jehova’s Wittnesses.